Thursday, 23 October 2025

Euros round one

Not sure how much value we'll be able to get out of this, given the incredibly vanilla nature of the field and the relatively small field size in general, but we'll have a look anyway to see if we can claw anything back. Numbers will go in small data/more form based to large data/less form based, with the composite overall number last.

Ryan Joyce v Luke Woodhouse - 48/49/50 - 49
Ross Smith v Peter Wright - 83/69/62 - 71
Gian van Veen v Damon Heta - 61/58/61 - 60
Gerwyn Price v Daryl Gurney - 64/71/72 - 69
Jonny Clayton v Ryan Searle - 59/57/53 - 56
Martin Schindler v Dave Chisnall - 56/49/53 - 53
Wessel Nijman v Michael van Gerwen - 50/49/44 - 48
Stephen Bunting v Chris Dobey - 59/59/54 - 57
Niko Springer v Jermaine Wattimena - 41/46/47 - 45
Gary Anderson v Cameron Menzies - 63/70/72 - 68
James Wade v Mike De Decker - 55/48/45 - 49
Josh Rock v Ricardo Pietreczko - 81/79/78 - 79
Luke Humphries v Krzysztof Ratajski - 76/78/70 - 75
Luke Littler v Raymond van Barneveld - 92/82/88 - 87
Nathan Aspinall v Rob Cross - 51/46/42 - 46
Dirk van Duijvenbode v Danny Noppert - 63/63/61 - 62

As expected, not much going, would have probably had a few minimum plays if we had a bit more working capital to get things to the minimum amount to bet, but we don't, so just laying Aspinall (after he wins a Euro Tour naturally) and having a small nibble on Ando.

Tuesday, 21 October 2025

100 not out?

Didn't have the time after an ill advised football trip on Saturday to get any projections up, which given how my picks on Saturday went was probably for the best. Aspinall denied us the dream GvV/DvD final, and set up the Euros field which is pretty much a wet dream for the PDC in that they have 29 of the top 32 in the FRH live rankings (Aspinall is back into the top 16 there, but will save until after the Eoros for a fuller update), missing out Edhouse (because he could never win this), Gilding (because he could never win a major) and Cullen (because he could never win a TV title) for the Euro trio of Ratajski, Barney and Springer, the latter being the only player to actually win their spot here rather than being gifted it. I'll get some numbers up for that tomorrow.

One thing I meant to mention a few posts ago was basically the most pathetic clickbaity X post I've seen in relation to darts in quite some time, which given the level of hysteria whenever Littler loses a match is saying something. I don't know the guy in question, not someone I follow and only noticed it as it appeared on an unrelated forum, but to paraphrase it basically said "van Gerwen to not play competitive darts after the Grand Slam before the worlds". Which we could paraphrase as "darts player misses one tournament he didn't qualify for". Which he might well still do, with the author of this said post apparently being ITK that van Gerwen won't play the last two Pro Tours. This might be true, but does it matter? You could write the exact same post about half the tour card holders. Doesn't make it news.

Anyway, in a more interesting thing I read on X, David Schlichting posted the theory after Greaves made it 86 unbeaten in the Women's Series that only Littler would be P > 0.5 (in layman's terms, more likely than not) to win 100 in a row on that tour if in her position. Now I don't think for one minute that David is extrapolating to imply that Beau is as such the second best player in the world, more that to even get this close should she not get to the century is probably lucky, but on reading this I summoned my inner Martin Schindler walk on music and thought this looks like a job for me.

I'll start by saying I'm clearly not going to model every permutation of possibilities, as that would just be silly. So I'm going to make some assumptions and simplifications. Firstly, how do we get to 100 wins? This is the simplest thing probably. Enter tournament. Win tournament. Repeat until streak is at 100. As such, we can reasonably say that we can replace that "win 100 matches" with "bink x tournaments in a row". How to find x? We just need to look at the entry counts and then gauge on average how many matches we'll play. Greaves, to win 86 in a row so far, has won the last 13 tournaments, That's pretty much right in between six and seven - this makes a fair bit of sense, while I could go through all the data and work out exact entry numbers, Grok's estimating that there's typically 80 to 100 runners in these things. If we call an average field size 96 for the sake of argument, then you've got a one in three chance of a first round bye - so for any given event, you'll need seven wins two thirds of the time, and six the remainder of the time. This gives us a nice even answer - if in three events, we expect 7/7/6 in terms of matches, that's twenty matches per three tournaments. So we need to win fifteen in a row.

Next, how often do we win a tournament? Now here's where we're going to need to get a bit controversial. The standard of the series is, in relation to the Pro Tour, pretty poor. Looking at the tour leaderboard on DC, there's barely a dozen players outside of Beau that were capable of an overall average that equates to winning legs in 21 darts or less. Barely half of these have a first nine over 80, so if they are wanting a six visit kill they're on average needing a three figure outshot. In the context of putting someone up against a tour card holder, that's not good. In the context of putting someone up against Littler, that's even worse. Dennie Olde Kalter would likely be an enormous favourite to win any WS event and you only need to go past best of 9 to best of 11 where he drops below 10% to win against Littler.

As such, I'm going to do a pretty brutal set of simplifications. First, I'm going to make all games best of 9, if only because I don't have best of 7 outwardly modelled in my master computer. It's only going to make a minor difference, adding or taking away one leg required doesn't change the maths that much. Second, I'm going to assume that there are at most a dozen players, other than us, that can realistically put up a challenge, and that if you draw anyone else, you get a free win. This isn't football where you can nick a goal on the break and then timewaste for the rest of the game - you can't drag someone into a scrappy opening leg, win it in 26 darts and then stall. You need to hit (at least how I'm modelling it) five winning doubles, and once you've thrown three darts there's nothing you can do to stop your opponent from throwing three better darts. Finally, I'm going to assume that in the event where we don't get a first round bye, we (and everyone competent) avoid each other, so as to be able to model things all the same - we're in the last 64 every time, and against 51 of the opponents we win, and against the other 12 we need to work for it. This may seem like an over simplification, but it only takes the PDC to say "we're seeding 16 players next year" and you get the same result.

So, that being said, how often do we win a tournament? With the simplifications we've made, this basically becomes a function of how many times we run into a good opponent, then working out how frequently we beat that good opponent. How good that good opponent is will come later, but let's cross the first bridge first. We've got 64 players - ourself, twelve players of interest, and then 51 jobbers. There's two things we need to do here - the simple one is working out how often we need to play someone good, which is a simple 12/51. or 23.5% of the time. The other thing we need to do is work out on average how often two of our good player pool run into each other. Now this  is something I probably knew how to do manually 25 years ago, but we have AI now, so I'm going to trust the number it's given in saying that we get 1.24 matches on average where it's good player against good player. Now clearly we can't eliminate .24 of a dart player in a match, so I'm going to need to round up/down accordingly and hope that we don't do one or the other that often. We'll repeat this process for each round:

Round of 64 - 0.235 matches for us, 1.24 matches total - new player count 12/20
Round of 32 - 0.355 matches for us, 2.13 matches total - new player count 10/6
Round of 16 - 0.6 matches for us, 3 matches total - new player count 7/1

From here, we know that we will get the bad player 1 time in 7, or s good plsyer with 0.857 probability, the bad player will lose to whoever, the semi finals will be between all good players so we need to go through an additional two players for a total of just a fraction over needing to beat four good players on average in any given event. That doesn't sound stupidly unreasonable, we'd expect the quarter finals onwards to see us up against someone decent a large percentage of the time, but in the early rounds the field is so weak on average that we usually don't run into any landmines early on. As such, the question is simplified into "how often do we beat a good player 60 times in a row?"

Now for the time consuming part. Working out the good player. I'm going to make one more massive assumption, and create a generic "good women's player", by taking the top dozen or so that we're trying to avoid (so women averaging better than 71.57 i.e. 21 darts on average), look at the speed that they finish legs against each other (to avoid watering down the stats where we're just playing really weak opponents who are letting us finish however quickly we want - this is the exact reason why I don't put any WS data into the database), and then I can put that data line into the master computer, stick it against whoever we want, and then if our tour card holder has a win chance of better than 98.86% in a best of 9 match (this being the sixtieth root of 0.5), then we know we're good. This is the ballache number crunching part. But it's done, and the sample of players I had has less than 100 legs in fifteen darts or fewer, and over 200 in each of the six and over seven visit buckets, with the latter being larger. Considering the database has over 50% of legs in five or better, that's a bad look. Shove that against Littler, and Luke wins a best of nine 99.47% of the time. That is way more than enough - heck, give Littler no free wins and the breakeven point is 130 matches. Yikes.

But who else would be favoured? What of Greaves herself? Well Beau would only expect to win against our conglomerate player just over 96% of the time, so for her, the breakeven point is 17 matches, or just over four tournaments as we've modelled it. So to get a thirteen tournament run is definitely a bit of sun running. Who else would be good? Well, sorting by winning average, nobody. Rock falls just short at 98.50%, Bunting despite averaging lower scores about a tenth of a percent higher but still no good, Price shows the same thing but is still short, and once you drop out of the top twelve you drop below 98%. So, too long didn't read version - yes, it is just Littler.

However, because there's always a however, there is one further thing that needs to be taken into consideration before we put the topic to bed. The data model I use for projecting matches makes the assumption that the bull is a coinflip. Now, with this level of disparity between quality of players, is that realistic? The question then becomes how often do we lose a match 5-4 (you would think that this would be most of the 1.3%, 1.4% of games that someone like a Pirce is losing), how often do we actually win the bull in practice, and how many of the additional times we win the bull were we not only not breaking anyway, but having the darts makes the difference between winning and losing? It's got to be a fairly small number, but we don't need to flip that many results to become a favourite to get to the magical 100 number. Price was breaking even at 52 wins against the good players and we needed 60 - that's pretty darned close. But that's an exercise for another post maybe.

Friday, 17 October 2025

ET14 R2 - urgh

Today started fine, then we just ran into Ryan Joyce godmode. Can't do too much about that. O'Connor over Gilding obviously didn't help either, but we can press on into day two of the event.

Gian van Veen 65-35 Niels Zonneveld
Damon Heta 66-34 Steve Lennon
Danny Noppert 59-41 Luke Woodhouse
Ryan Searle 66-34 Krzysztof Ratajski
Mike De Decker 45-55 Wessel Nijman
Rob Cross 65-35 Cameron Menzies
Peter Wright 45-55 Ricardo Pietreczko
Dave Chisnall 64-36 Gabriel Clemens
Ross Smith 59-41 Nathan Aspinall
Jonny Clayton 78-22 Raymond van Barneveld
Gerwyn Price 79-21 Christian Kist
James Wade 49-51 Jermaine Wattimena
Chris Dobey 49-51 Dirk van Duijvenbode
Martin Schindler 55-45 William O'Connor
Josh Rock 80-20 Ricky Evans
Stephen Bunting 78-22 Ryan Joyce

Can't see that Betfair has all the markets up yet, and none have any notable liquidity. Will punt in the morning.

Thursday, 16 October 2025

ET14 R1

Alright, let's get into the final event of the year. There is no data of note on Kramer, Springer (no, not that one), Troppmann or Rosandic. I can't discern who the last HNQ is for some reason, I assume Maxi used this one as the get in cheaply gamble that TCH's have a one shot at. Anyway, let's go.

Menzies/Plaisier - 51/49
Zonneveld/Labanauskas - 74/26
de Graaf/Lennon - 51/49
Joyce/Hood - 49/51
Woodhouse/Bissell - 62/38
Gilding/O'Connor - 57/43
Wattimena/Barry - 73/27
Gurney/Kist - 63/37
Pietreczko/Szaganski - 59/41
van Duijvenbode/Sedlacek - 70/30
Evans/Cullen - 44/56
Aspinall/Czerwinski - 85/15

As such, I've placed good chunks on Zonneveld (which seems more anti-Labanauskas than anything) and Hood (who we've thought's been underrated for a while), a touch on Gilding and a tiny sliver on Dirk. Back tomorrow evening all things being equal.

Post GP and PC 31/32 thoughts

Well, there was one very good reason why I thought there might have been a touch of value in the underdogs in the semis. There's me forgetting that last year they upped the number of sets needed for the semis and the final by one. Oopsie. That doesn't change the metrics that much, maybe a couple of percent swing, but it would be enough for things to go from "might be the slightest edge there" to "lol no let's come back next weekend". Ended out what was a pretty boring event for me - the Littler quarter was fine but after round one was there a single good game in there? I don't think there was. Even their dream final, which while seeing a good chunk of competitive sets, ended up being a one sided romp. Still, it's in the bank, with the top 2 getting all the cake there's no crazy FRH moves, but there is some, this includes anything won in PC 31/32, but nothing in terms of minimum cash from the upcoming Euro Tour:

1 Luke Littler
2 Luke Humphries
3 Stephen Bunting (UP 2)
4 Jonny Clayton (UP 2)
5 Michael van Gerwen (DOWN 2)
6 James Wade (DOWN 2)
7 Josh Rock
8 Gerwyn Price
9 Danny Noppert (UP 2)
10 Chris Dobey (DOWN 1)
11 Ross Smith (DOWN 1)
12 Damon Heta
13 Gian van Veen
14 Mike de Decker (UP 1)
15 Gary Anderson (UP 1)
16 Martin Schindler (DOWN 2)
17 Jermaine Wattimena (UP 1)
18 Nathan Aspinall (UP 1)
19 Ryan Searle (NEW)
20 Rob Cross

Guy falling out is Chizzy who must be the odds on favourite for most disappointing season at this point in time. Clayton was briefly ahead of Bunting for what would surely have been a career high #3, but strong Pro Tours for the Bullet sees him there instead. Noppie goes up as expected, Schindi takes a knock after a first round major loss, otherwise mostly as you were.

In other news, Greaves making the world youth final was clearly big news, although certain outlets somewhat disrespecting her and ignoring she's a three times world champion already was kind of sad to see. Beating van Veen, which is certainly in the range of possible outcomes, would be a huge story for the sport and SHOULD be bigger news than Sherrock > Evetts was, but probably won't be. Wouldn't surprise me if that fast tracked her into some World Series events. Well, maybe not the first two.

Cam Crabtree grabbed the Slam spot. This one feels a spot underwhelming. Obv the Dev Tour nerfed how good a player it could get by limiting who can play in it, but I think there's a few names in the top 10 who'd be more exciting for sure. He's not bad and I'm not saying that, his numbers are fine, but over the last year they're only a hundredth of a point better per turn than Chisnall and nobody would be excited about watching him right now, Hopefully Jamai can have a worlds spot fall to him through the rankigns but it seems dependent on results elsewhere, Bates being near the main worlds cutoff seemingly being the important one.

Half the remaining Pro Tours for the year got done this week. Good win for Wattimena who seems at the peak of his powers right now. Littler winning the other is neither here nor there (although I think he needed some money to secure Minehead), Littler losing first round to Edhouse in the other one was an oddity, but whoever had Dennie Olde Kalter finalist on their bingo card a couple of months ago was a brave man.

That'll be it for now, there is a Euro Tour draw out. Thoughts on that later, it's the last one before the Euros, there's a few spots on the line but it doesn't look that interesting a chase, it basically comes down to if Chizzy beats (probably) Clemens, which is nowhere near the worst draw he could have got but despite Clemens maybe having as quiet a year as he's had is no gimmie.

Saturday, 11 October 2025

Any semis value? Maybe

Looking at the 365 lines, they've got both Lukes priced in at 1/4, which is an 80% chance of winning. That seems a tad excessive. Noppert and Clayton are not bad players at all. I've got both of these games at nearer the 70/30 marker - Humphries a touch above 70%, Littler a touch below, maybe in a realistic world Clayton could be priced a bit shorter by default but the pricing is such to account for the Littler hype/public backing, which is not unreasonable. So would I be betting on a Luke/Luke final? It seems by far the most likely outcome, I think it happens clearly more than half the time, but I certainly wouldn't be wanting to bet on either of them to win their respective matches. Would I want to bet on either of Clayton or Noppert to pull the upset? This is a more pertinent question, and I think the choice of the two would clearly be Clayton, but I'm not sure that you'll actually get the odds to offer sufficient safety in what you're doing to actually be profitable.

FWIW in a theoretical all Luke final, I'd put Littler at around a 2-1 favourite, although the numbers are all over the place. Mid sample appears 50/50, so you can only guess what Littler is doing in the other samples to make it balance at that overall projection.

Friday, 10 October 2025

GP quarters

Christ, what a turgid set of round two games those were, nothing to a decider and four whitewashes. Still, warms us up for the new expanded worlds I guess. Any value in the quarters now?

Noppert 34-66 Anderson
van Duijvenbode 45-55 Clayton
Littler 67-33 Price
Humphries 76-24 Menzies

So no, no value anywhere really.